This is an Excerpt from this post http://desteni.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=280&t=18363 on the Desteni Forum, regarding the video I have linked above – I have only posted the posts between me and Ann Here, as I find them very Self-Supportive – Specifically in relation to what I mentioned earlier with regards to Ann and my mirroring of her
Ann: The continuous doubt and “struggle” with this I have is the point that I feel I can be deceived when I do that. Like if I dont think everything through and really see it in all angles, I can be manipulated by those who know much much more then me. And this point is particulary present as my experience.
Anna – Ann wrote:
The continuous doubt and “struggle” with this I have is the point that I feel I can be deceived when I do that. Like if I dont think everything through and really see it in all angles, I can be manipulated by those who know much much more then me. And this point is particulary present as my experience.

Consider this from the perspective of Everything being Inverted, thus always as a mirror showing us ourselves Ann(a) I am also talking to me Here LOL – Everything that is in any way Directed towards other people, is a Deliberate Abdication of Self-Responsibility and Self-Direction – (It has to be Deliberate – when we are not Deliberate, the Mind-System will be for us.)

Thus you are doing that which you fear others do to you – Manipulate and Deceive – It is always about ‘Self’ – though the ‘Self’ that is ‘having this experience’, is not Real, but it is showing you what you are holding onto as though it is you, – And it is clearly shown in the words:

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I Feel

– I trust my Feeling – My feelings is my starting-point – My Feeling is law –

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I cANN be Decieved

– I Decieve

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I cANN be manipulated

– I manipulate

The blame in this is so slight that you don’t even notice – which is the whole point of Deception and Manipulation – to twist and turn things to your benefit, but so subtle that the other does not notice it and simply Accepts it as Authentic and True. And this is what we do to ourselves. This is what personality is based on. This is why Brutal Self-Honesty is required – because this is the ‘reality’ we have created for ourselves, a maze of lies and masks, of apparently real and civilized people with ‘kind hearts’ – while all there is is Manipulation and Deception. 
 
Ann – Yes and the reason why i write it is because I want it to stop, I will look at those points of manipulation and deceiving. although I dont deliberatly go and deceive and manipulate, this can be part of certain personality traits such as wanting other to like me for example, which I experienced many times, because thats also manipulation and deceiving. And then I think : that doesnt change the fact that it can happen. Because it can ofcourse. But its no reason to go and assume or believe that and to have feelings connected to it. comming from fear. But I gotta get that shit clear, gonna do muscle communication to map it out more and see if there is points im not seeing right now. Because thats what I think then, when I am unclear about thing or in doubt or something similar. I also have this thought that there might be beings which are not human and are much smarter and can deceive me. God im worse then a christian :shock: :lol: Its hard to stop those thoughts because my mind is like: yes Ann but it can be so. But I mean wtf, its not like we can do more then be self honest and work on ourselves and stopping what we live out as dishonesty. Why worry about something “different” that “might” be there and might do this or that. Thats exactly like all the believer and faith shit. It are all “if’s”, that keeps one bound to not changing. The paranoid mind, as a survival mechanism that constantly looks for security. Time to stop it .

Anna – Ann wrote:
Yes and the reason why i write it is because I want it to stop, I will look at those points of manipulation and deceiving. although I dont deliberatly go and deceive and manipulate, this can be part of certain personality traits such as wanting other to like me for example

Ann – I am going to repeat this:
(It has to be Deliberate – when we are not Deliberate, the Mind-System will be for us.)

Thus since ‘it’ is always Deliberate, you are basically revealing to yourself how and where the Mind has Direction and Authority over and as you. It IS deliberate and within this sentence it is exemplified even further – See the Deception in this: You do exactly go Deliberately and Deceive and Manipulate, but the point is who the ‘you’ are that does it? That you are not Responsible, because it is ‘personality traits’ and that you do not deliberately go and deceive, takes the power away from you to do something about it. But where are these traits coming from?

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wanting other to like me

– You are aware of is, because you are able to identify it. It is Abdication to Self-Responsibility to Personality.

I realized recently that I have had an issue with the words ‘Manipulation’, ‘Deception’ and ‘Dishonesty’ and every time I came close to myself in those words, I would take them personally and retract through an emotional reaction – which was in itself manipulative, deceptive and dishonest. So I looked at the word ‘manipulation’ for example – and it does what it says: Twist and turn things to my own benefit. But the World would certainly not be the way it is, if it was not for these ‘traits’ – It is Deliberate because that is what we are and what we do – We Create. This is the Responsibility we have to own up to as Who we are. 


It is Deliberate, even when we are not Aware of it – And all it is, is revealing the Abdication of ourselves, to the Mind. When we can see the ‘Deliberation’ – then we can Stand up and take Self-Responsibility.

 And this is precisely the point – that Everything is Deliberate, because that is Who We are – We Create. It might not have been intentional or what we set out to do – but it did also not ‘just happen’ or happen by some mistakes or coincidenc
e – The only reason I know this, is from personal experience. The moment before fucking up, knowing that I am going
to fuck up – going against my gut for example, yet Deliberately refuse to listen to myself in Self-Honesty – This I have done thousands of times. Yet I am not thinking that now I am going to Fuck myself over – from some perspective it does really ‘just happen’ – but any and all events and circumstances that lead up to this moment, where also walked by me – thus I am Responsible no matter what. 

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